zaterdag 4 februari 2012
Project paperclip; Hoe Amerika aan zijn geavanceerde techniek komt na WW2!
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We, the heirs of the Third Reich, have been an integral part of the American Government since Patton crossed the Rhine. American Fascism did not start with World War II.
Before Operation Paperclip, the codename under which the US intelligence and military services extricated scientists from Germany, during and after the final stages of the conflict, the annals of internal despotism were well established. With the open door policy for German engineering, the political ideology of state worship was bound to travel across the Atlantic.
The Pampas of Argentina or the backwaters of Paraguay were the preferred location for those who openly professed their reprehensible loyalty to the Führer principle. However, do not blame all those ex-Nazis for selecting the shores of the Americas for their new domicile, their seeds were planted long ago in the offices of Wall and Broad Streets.
Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will saga shares more, than what one wants to admit, about the dark side of American History.
Do not be confused. National Socialism is an abhorrent notion to most Americans.
Nevertheless, the political foundation of that false ideology is based upon pure Fascism forged in a marriage of the Corporate/State that produces this demented offspring. The systematic destruction of the essential purpose and motivation for the American Revolution is undeniable with any objective examination of the regretful legacy of domestic tyranny.
This record of monocracy is one of a criminal class, as opposed to the iron fist of a single man. If you belief this is an erroneous assessment, consider the following chronicle.
From the beginning of the Republic, the Federalists conspired for the illegal passage of their central government constitution in order to form a competing world empire with their British cousins.
Their leader was Alexander Hamilton, who championed making individual states subservient to the original crony capitalists.
When the Father of our Country, George Washington admonished about the dangers on entangling alliances, the world was warned that the drive towards independent liberty was compromised under this new Federal system.
When Andrew Jackson rallied frontier populism against the establishment elites of his era, you had an opportunity to restore some of the former glory of the Revolution of 1776. The conflict over the abolishment of the National Bank symbolizes the eternal struggle that continues to this very day.
The Manifest Destiny of the U.S.-Mexican War demonstrated just how far the country strayed from the fundamental concept of independence from England.
The expansionistic campaign had more in common with the Crown than the Boston Tea Party.
The early 19th century fascists looked to their next defender Abraham Lincoln, the lawyer for the railroad corporatist cabal and the worst of all despotic presidents, to complete the task.
Mark Dankof cites Thomas DiLorenzo’s work in the article, Lincoln in Fort Sumter, False Flags, and The Empire’s Coming Crusade.
Myth #1: Lincoln invaded the South to free the slaves.
Myth #2: Lincoln’s war "saved the Union."
Myth #3: Lincoln championed equality and natural rights.
Myth #4: Lincoln was a defender of the Constitution.
Myth #5: Lincoln was a "great humanitarian" who had "malice toward none."
Myth #6: War was necessary to end slavery.
The significance of the War of Northern Aggression is that the principle of independent sovereign states under the precepts of constitutional law died.
With the prevention of secession, the liberty of a voluntary union was betrayed for the rule, under a loyalty oath, to an Amerikan Reich. The next False Flag excuse was the Spanish-American War and the "Remember the Maine!" slogan that pushed the country into a "Pacific Imperium".
Those NeoCons, like Senator John McCain, who revere Theodore Roosevelt as a model for imperialist jingoism, draw their psychopathic lusts from the same bloodline as Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Himmler.
World War I produced the infamous Woodrow Wilson internationalist treason.
No longer will America be a society governed by elected representatives. The only coup to come out of his administration was won by the banksters. The fate of a proud people, sealed with the creation of, the Federal Reserve the establishment of the income tax the permanent foreign military intervention abroad, ..is the basis for the final destruction of the country and the horrors that befell our nation in the last century.
World War II inflicted the Franklin D. Roosevelt curse that guaranteed the imposition of socialism on the American people. How ironic that the Hitler bogyman’s regime, the scourge of Western Civilization and the reason for defending democracy, ultimately lead to similar collectivist policies, now adopted in the United States.
Just look to the ignominious involvement of Prescott Bush’s involvement with the funding of Adolph Hitler.
Even FAUX news cannot hide the relationship in Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler.
"Prescott Bush was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press."
So what can and should a "reasonable man" conclude from these examples from history?
The essential lesson is that the pristine fairy tale of the federal government’s noble role as defender of righteousness, that politicians want to accept and often die for, is a fictional myth.
Power politics always serves the interests of the banking elites, who control the political process, own the financial capital and manipulate the media viewpoint of events. This reality is pure fascism.
You live under this system, so grow up, and admit it... it is the lamentable truth.
Barry Soetoro, aka, Barack Hussein Obama fits the fascist mold to the tee. In the above video, Obama and Holder taking on Arizona's SB1070, the treachery of his administration is evident.
The eradication of States Rights is standard policy coming out of this Federal governance regime. The separation ethnic dictates of the Nazi hooligans seem to contrast with the multicultural amnesty immigration ordinances that the Holder DoJ office fosters.
However, if you look closely, both share a parallel distain for the rights of indigenous citizens.
The Third Reich wanted to export their undesirables, while the Fourth Reich wants to destroy the natural citizenry by importing unwanted illegals. A fair read of the State of Arizona SB 1070 Bill indicates that individual states are under attack from a federal tyranny in the same way that the German people were subjugated by the Swastika.
Ian Gurney offers this comparison:
"Now let's take a quick look at Germany in the 1930's and 40's as the Nazis reared their ugly heads. Here was a country that was financially crippled with a massive budget deficit owing billions of dollars to the rest of the world. Just like the USA.
In the 1930's Germany was a country where the burning of the Reichstag, engineered by Hitler and his henchmen, was used to create external enemies and to exert internal control over the German people. Hitler then used the media to lie, frighten and deceive the population, allowing a bunch of vicious, extreme, right wing megalomaniacs to gain power. Just like the USA.
In the 1930's Hitler was surrounded by a group of unelected officials whose sole objective was to take control of Germany for their own ends and with the use of their military might, take control of the assets and prosperity of other, weaker countries. Just like the USA.
In 1939 Hitler embarked on a series of pre-emptive attacks on sovereign nations in the name of "freeing the people" of that country. Just like the USA.
In 1940 the German hierarchy started building special "camps" or detention centers in which to incarcerate and eventually execute those people considered to be "against" their regime. Just like the USA."
The Fourth Reich did not originate with Operation Overcast, the initiate name for Operation Paperclip.
The classic book Fourth Reich of the Rich, by Des Griffin deserves another read.
Mr. Griffin states,
"Some 150 years ago, in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, Abraham Lincoln acknowledged the fact that,
"no foreign power or combination of foreign powers could by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years."
At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected?
I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up from among us, it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die of suicide."
Are we committing national suicide? Webster's Dictionary (1828) defines suicide as:
"Self murder; the act of designedly destroying one's own life."
For that to be true on a national scale, the decisions leading up to our national self-destruction would, of necessity, have to be made by those who govern the country Congress, or "the government."
Much of the German population was captivated by Hitler.
The "presstitute" Goebbels’ media holds out Obama as a shining example. His manners are a composition of every tyranny to grace the scorched earth of despotic government.
Will the America public come to their senses and make war against this Amerikana version of the Fourth Reich? You need not look for the Boys from Brazil to find today’s Nazi’s.
They do their business in New York City, run their international institutes from London and order their bombing from Washington, DC.
Sieg heil! to the New World Order is the modern definition of national suicide.
Bron: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_bigbrother79.htm
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vrijdag 3 februari 2012
Update: Baltic Sea ‘UFO’
Update: Baltic Anomaly: Far Stranger Than Any UFO Discovery
This is turning into one of the most amazing and perplexing
discoveries in history. If you thought all of the questions surrounding
the Baltic anomaly would be answered by the return trip, then you’d be
wrong. The OceanX team have discovered right angles, walls with
absolutely smooth surfaces and cavities-like corridors inside the object as well as something resembling a staircase – the weird just got weirder.
Truthfall Special Report by Craig Brown
“When we went out and saw the walls which were straight and smooth, it was frightening, as in a science-fiction film” – Dennis Åsberg – Ocean Explorer Co-Founder
From the different reports and interviews given we have amassed the following details of the anomaly.
“A new expedition will take place in approx three weeks.” – Peter Lindberg, co-founder OceanX Team (approx 2 weeks now at time of publishing)
Right angles, smooth surfaces and cavitiy-like corridors inside the object
In a recent Swedish radio interview, Aasberg described some amazing features which seem to indicate that the object is man made, or perhaps a natural formation that has been altered or engineered. In various radio and TV interviews the team have described the surfaces of the dome to be similar to concrete both in texture and appearance. The massive pillar on which the dome rests may be made of a different material indicating that the entire anomaly may not be one complete piece but rather two separate objects with the dome resting on top of the main pillar, and if so, who or what placed the dome on top? Also, when we say pillar – this is a pillar that is approx 180-190 feet thick.
“We arrived there twice, and the question mark has become so much bigger now, “says Dennis Åsberg.The area is a completely circular plate with 180 metres in circumference, and therefore believed that it was the first traces of a meteor.”
“But there are 1,500-metre track in bed until the subject matter-and they have also discovered right angles, walls with absolutely smooth surfaces and cavities-like corridors inside the object.– When we went out and saw the walls which were straight and smooth, it was frightening, as in a science-fiction film, “says Dennis Åsberg on Ocean x-team as soon exploring the unknown object again.“
Stone Circles or “Fireplaces”
During the dive, the team swam slowly over the top of the object looking down where they encountered the first of many strange sights. Stone circles, like “fireplaces”, of hard black “almost petrified” burnt looking stone each a few inches in diameter, like 4 or 5 pearls in a necklace in various arrangements on top of the dome some 12 metres high off the seabed. The stones appear to be arranged in definite circular shapes, so there is no possibility of this being done through any natural process of weathering or even glaciation.
Stefan Hogeborn, 47, is a veteran of 6000 dives spanning his 20 year career and is one of the expert divers who was completely mesmerized by what he saw. “Normally stones don’t burn,” Hogeborn said. “I can’t explain what we saw, and I went down there to answer questions, but I came up with even more questions,” he added.
Several weeks before the second expedition several set off, several remote viewers described the anomaly in “blind” sessions where all they were given was a target reference number. The preliminary findings of the OceanX expedition have confirmed some remarkable similarities and details which were amazingly predicted by the remote viewers.
One of the remote viewers described the anomaly as the same feeling as “very large” , “light grey”, “looks like cement colour”, “like a dam – but it’s not a dam, but it reminds me of a dam, just that it’s so big, massive and huge, going down whenever you stood and you look down on it, on a dam and I can see how it just moves down away from me”.
Another viewer described it as round, semi-buried, thick, from above to below ground, AOL “like a weapons bunker or missile silo tube, something like that, way thicker than it ought to be or you would expect,”
“It just so straight up and down inside ,the Millennium Falcon from the Empire Strikes Back”.
Lindberg too was impressed with the quality of the data predicted by the remote viewers - “Regarding the “remote viewing”: Yes, the last guy gives quite a spooky resembling explanation. Maybe he’s right if we find any more holes” – he said.
“3D Multibeam sonar data take a while to process. It will not be until end of next week we will be able to see the first 3D images from the area. I have seen the raw data though and if what I have seen will be confirmed by the finished result we will get some quite amazing facts to think about.”
“More pictures will come, no more diver taken pictures though, not before until next expedition. The production company is right now working with the ROV films and still pictures from them will be released. Before the expedition” – “It is up to the production company, who makes the documentary, which pictures will be released.”
The Meringue
Initially when the first images were released by Swedish media the image below caused a lot of confusion for many people, with many thinking the image showed the complete anomaly.
However, after the confusion cleared it became obvious that the image below was of something now nicknamed “The Meringue”. The meringue as it is now known is a circular 4 meter wide feature that actually sits on top of the main 200 foot wide mushroom-like dome. What looks like the seabed towards the bottom of the feature is in fact the TOP of the mushroom dome. The seabed is another 40 feet further down!
Resolution of the object
Lindberg was asked, “What kind of resolution/accuracy can be expect of the ROV? (Remotely Operated Vehicle)“, he said – “Bad resolution, we have been sponsored by Ocean Modules with an “older” model of the V8 Sii ROV. It should not be able to send both video and the “real time sonar” images at the same time through a 450 meter cable (which we had) but it worked, though on the expense of the quality of the video. On the next expedition they will provide us with a newer model and then we will probably get much better quality on the video.”
He continued – “They do not know about all we have seen with the ROV. It take some time to tape everything over to a format with which they can use, and people have their working hours. I think though that they must be like 10 persons working with this now.”
Rock samples
In a recent Facebook Q&A the loose stones that make up the “fireplaces” sitting on top of the dome were discussed with co-founder Peter Lindberg – “So have any scientists results been brought back from the samples yet Peter?” – “We have recovered two loose stones laying on the circle. They are doing lab tests on the stones right now. But I think we will find that they are made of quite common minerals. I believe that since there is loose stones laying on the circle the circle must be from pre-ice age. The ice has dropped the stones when it melted away.”
“I do not know but if I must bet my money on something I would go for the possibility that the circle is of pre-ice age – age.”
Unexplained Equipment Failure
A curious phenomena that has been experienced by the dive team is one of constant electrical equipment failure when they are in close proximity to the anomaly and could be related to a magnetic disturbance in the area.
“Why isn’t anything working, anything electric out there and the satellite phone as well stopped working when we were above the object and then we got away about 200 meters and it turned on again and when we got back over the object it didn’t work so that’s kind of strange as well.” - Stefan Hogeborn
“The divers said that a “blackish” powder had been attracted to the camera, I did not see it myself though. Another thing is that we could not use the satellite phone when we where laying above the circle, but just some tenth of meters off position the phone worked. I do not know why but it is a fact. Furthermore, the video camera’s lights blow when the diver started them up on the surface when testing them before dive # 2. They decided anyway to bring the video camera with them and try to use their ordinary lights to illuminate for the video. When they descended the video camera started to showing an “error” message on the small monitor”. – Peter Lindberg
“The diver restarted the camera several times and finally it seamed to work. So he filmed their dive but nothing was on the tape when watching it afterwards. The only problem we had with the ROV was that we constantly had to restart the sonar. Finally it did not work and we continued with just the video camera. When we left the circle we went to a wreck and spent like 35 hour of ROV flying on the wreck and the sonar worked all the time. Magnetic disturbances, well you tell me!”
“Someone asked about what temperature we had down there. Well the divers thermometer showed -1 degree Celsius when they were on top of the circle, it should be +4 degree Celsius. The thermometer may have showing a wrong value of course.”
“I can not reveal the truth before I have all the facts. Till then everything is pure speculations, even from my side. I have not thought about if it can be hollowed, I have not even penetrated the surface yet…”
“We still have some months before it is too late going out to the site. But as it looks like now it will be last expedition for us. I think a real scientific team should take over and make a real scientific expedition to the area. After all, we are just wreck hunters who’s trying to find out what we a have discovered.”
Can it be brought to the surface?
When asked if there was the possibility of bringing the object to the surface, Lindberg was quick to respond with an emphatic – “God no! It must weight tremendous much, like thousands of tons”
The Straight Lines / Grooves
The original sonar images show large and unbelievably straight grooves or lines in the structure. When someone on the Facebook group speculated that the grooves were a few tens of centimetres, Lindberg wasted no time in correcing them – “No the graves are more like 1-1,5 meter wide and 0,5-1,5 meters deep.” Later he said – “The lines can be made by natural causes, but they looks very “man made”.
Peter Lindberg shares his thoughts
A few days ago co-founder of the OceanX Team Peter Lindberg popped into the OceanX Facbook page for an impromptu question and answer session which was utterly fascinating.
Hello friends, I have not written anything here in a while, can maybe be explained by the fact that I have really been out there… I will drop you some of my believes:
1. I do not believe that the circle is a wreckage of an flying craft from WWII till recent time (or from some thousands of year back for that matter).
2. I do not believe the circle is a wreckage of any kind of known floating vessels from the past or from modern time.
3. I do not believe the circle is a construction made by someone after the ice age (submarine bases etc included).
4. I do believe the surface of the circle is made of mineral.
5. I do believe that the surface looks like concrete through the ROV camera but I do not believe it’s made of concrete.
6. I do believe that the very strait lines and angular formations we can see on the side scan sonar image from last year really excists. The odd thing is that I thought, before this expedition that when we could get close these shapes maybe should appear not being so straight as on the side scan sonar image, in reality they are even straighter! It really looks like constructed parts on the circle.
7. I do believe it might have been volcanic activity in the area and even on (or in) the circle after the ice age, or before, but then it do not fit with what we know about the ice age.
8. I do believe that the circle “rests” on top of what looks like an pilar of rock, raising approx 8 meters above the surrounding bottom. The circle it self appears to be approx 4 meters thick. In other words, the top of the circle raises 12 meters above the surrounding bottom.
9. I do believe we must find out on the next expedition if the circle and the pillar are fixed in one piece or if they are separated in some way.
10. I do believe that the path, or the track, is a ridge raising slowly up from the bottom to a height of approx 8 meters above the surrounding bottom. I also believe that the ridge is made of softer material than the pillar and the circle.
“What I do not believe because I know, is the fact that we found a round hole approx 25 cm in diameter going straight into the surface of the circle, how odd is not that? How deep? No idea, we just saw it for some seconds before we decided to back off to preserve the visibility for the divers that was going down later on. They did not find the hole though. It might be some more holes, at this moment we do not know.” – Well some comments on that before I continue with some more believes. Cheers
03-02-2012: Zou dit de afkomst zijn? bericht onder de drie filmpjes ;)
The latest report from CNN, Video: Divers find large, unexplained object at bottom of Baltic Sea. There’s no details in the report that haven’t been already reported in August, 2011, so what’s the real reason behind CNN revisiting this story?
In August, 2011, FOX News:
“The team captured this sonar image of a circular object about three hundred feet down on the sea floor.”
“This is a sonar image three hundred feet down, and not just any UFO by the way, this thing looks like the Millennium Falcon, right? Hans Solo’s Millennium Falcon of Stars Wars fame.”
FOX News: “The thing on your left–looking at sonar footage–it almost looks like it went off a runway.”
CNN News: “Sonar readings show it’s about 60 meters across, or the size of a Jumbo jet, and, it’s not on its own down there, the Ocean Explorer Team also found another smaller disk-shaped object nearby. Both show a rigid tail or drag marks more than four hundred meters long.”
“So what is it? Until someone actually goes down to search the object more closely (or recover it) — a potentially time-consuming and expensive proposition — we may never know. It’s a genuine mystery, and, as is often the case, the most mundane explanation may be the most likely.”
The proposed date for a return to the Baltic Sea to ‘salvage’ the mystery object, May 2012.
Crashed UFO in the Baltic Sea, June 19 2011
Read more: http://www.cosmostv.org/2012/01/peter-lindbergs-baltic-sea-ufo-back-in.html#ixzz1lJ16PvfF
Posted on June 27, 2012
Truthfall Special Report by Craig Brown
“When we went out and saw the walls which were straight and smooth, it was frightening, as in a science-fiction film” – Dennis Åsberg – Ocean Explorer Co-Founder
From the different reports and interviews given we have amassed the following details of the anomaly.
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Completely circular plate-like exterior.
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180 metres in circumference.
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Object is 200ft accross mushroom shaped comprising a thick pillar rising 8 metres out of the seabed with a 4 metre thick dome on top (like a mushroom shape) – rising a total of 12 metres (approx 40 feet) high above the surrounding seabed.
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Cavities-like corridors inside the object.
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Straight and smooth walls in certain areas with many right angles.
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There are visible formations on top of the object, which are set at a 90 degree angle and look like passageways or walls, as well as something that looks like it could be a staircase.
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Stone circles, like “fireplaces”, of hard black “almost petrified” burnt looking stone each a few inches in diameter, like 4 or 5 pearls in a necklace in various arrangements on top of the dome.
- Spherical object nicknamed “The Meringue” (pictured below) is 4 metres wide and sits on top of the object.
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Twenty-five centimetre hole on top of the object, it’s not known yet where it leads or what if anything is inside.
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Long runway or “skid marks” leading to object point north.
The latest revelations of right angles, walls with absolutely smooth surfaces and cavities-like corridors inside the object are if possible, far stranger than any UFO could ever hope to be. In fact a UFO find would now seem positively mundane.
Now it seems that as more and more information is revealed, the mystery surrounding the object grows. The good news for everyone who is intrigued by this story is that a THIRD expedition by the team will set off in approximately two weeks – the OceanX team will be hoping to rule out some of the possible explanations and collect even more data to shed light on this most perplexing mystery.“A new expedition will take place in approx three weeks.” – Peter Lindberg, co-founder OceanX Team (approx 2 weeks now at time of publishing)
Right angles, smooth surfaces and cavitiy-like corridors inside the object
In a recent Swedish radio interview, Aasberg described some amazing features which seem to indicate that the object is man made, or perhaps a natural formation that has been altered or engineered. In various radio and TV interviews the team have described the surfaces of the dome to be similar to concrete both in texture and appearance. The massive pillar on which the dome rests may be made of a different material indicating that the entire anomaly may not be one complete piece but rather two separate objects with the dome resting on top of the main pillar, and if so, who or what placed the dome on top? Also, when we say pillar – this is a pillar that is approx 180-190 feet thick.
“We arrived there twice, and the question mark has become so much bigger now, “says Dennis Åsberg.The area is a completely circular plate with 180 metres in circumference, and therefore believed that it was the first traces of a meteor.”
“But there are 1,500-metre track in bed until the subject matter-and they have also discovered right angles, walls with absolutely smooth surfaces and cavities-like corridors inside the object.– When we went out and saw the walls which were straight and smooth, it was frightening, as in a science-fiction film, “says Dennis Åsberg on Ocean x-team as soon exploring the unknown object again.“
Stone Circles or “Fireplaces”
During the dive, the team swam slowly over the top of the object looking down where they encountered the first of many strange sights. Stone circles, like “fireplaces”, of hard black “almost petrified” burnt looking stone each a few inches in diameter, like 4 or 5 pearls in a necklace in various arrangements on top of the dome some 12 metres high off the seabed. The stones appear to be arranged in definite circular shapes, so there is no possibility of this being done through any natural process of weathering or even glaciation.
Stefan Hogeborn, 47, is a veteran of 6000 dives spanning his 20 year career and is one of the expert divers who was completely mesmerized by what he saw. “Normally stones don’t burn,” Hogeborn said. “I can’t explain what we saw, and I went down there to answer questions, but I came up with even more questions,” he added.
The Hole
Also visible and shown in some of the released video footage is a strange hole (pictured below) in the top of the object. The hole is described to be approx 25 cm in diameter. Where it leads to or exactly what it’s purpose is is yet unknown. It is thought that this feature will be investigated further when the team return to the site again in 2 weeks time.
The Trail or Path Leading To The Object
In the
initial sonar imagery there appeared to be what looked 1000+ metres of
what looked like like skid marks or a disturbed seafloor area leading to
the object. According to the dive team what it now looks like to them
is what can only be described as a “runway” or “downhill path” that is
flattened at the seabed with the object at the end of it. Co-Founder
Peter Lindberg describes this feature of the site as a ridge raising
slowly up from the bottom to a height of approx 8 meters above the
surrounding bottom. He also believes that this ridge is made of softer
material than the pillar and the dome.
The second anomaly
Some 200
metres away lies the second strange anomaly which is amazingly yet to be
explored! The initial sidescan sonar images show something described
by the team as shaped like a “gothic church window”. Similar to the
main anomaly this object also has an area leading up to it of disturbed
seafloor or what could be a ridge. The divers were so amazed by the
main anomaly that they simply didn’t have time to dive on the second
one. The return trip in two weeks time should present an opportunity
for this to finally be explored.
There is the real possibility that the second anomaly may help give clues to the origin and nature of the main object.
The Remote Viewers Were CorrectSeveral weeks before the second expedition several set off, several remote viewers described the anomaly in “blind” sessions where all they were given was a target reference number. The preliminary findings of the OceanX expedition have confirmed some remarkable similarities and details which were amazingly predicted by the remote viewers.
One of the remote viewers described the anomaly as the same feeling as “very large” , “light grey”, “looks like cement colour”, “like a dam – but it’s not a dam, but it reminds me of a dam, just that it’s so big, massive and huge, going down whenever you stood and you look down on it, on a dam and I can see how it just moves down away from me”.
Another viewer described it as round, semi-buried, thick, from above to below ground, AOL “like a weapons bunker or missile silo tube, something like that, way thicker than it ought to be or you would expect,”
“It just so straight up and down inside ,the Millennium Falcon from the Empire Strikes Back”.
(Editor’s Note: An AOL is what Remote Viewers refer to when an image of the target comes into their mind)
Lindberg too was impressed with the quality of the data predicted by the remote viewers - “Regarding the “remote viewing”: Yes, the last guy gives quite a spooky resembling explanation. Maybe he’s right if we find any more holes” – he said.
“3D Multibeam sonar data take a while to process. It will not be until end of next week we will be able to see the first 3D images from the area. I have seen the raw data though and if what I have seen will be confirmed by the finished result we will get some quite amazing facts to think about.”
“More pictures will come, no more diver taken pictures though, not before until next expedition. The production company is right now working with the ROV films and still pictures from them will be released. Before the expedition” – “It is up to the production company, who makes the documentary, which pictures will be released.”
The Meringue
Initially when the first images were released by Swedish media the image below caused a lot of confusion for many people, with many thinking the image showed the complete anomaly.
However, after the confusion cleared it became obvious that the image below was of something now nicknamed “The Meringue”. The meringue as it is now known is a circular 4 meter wide feature that actually sits on top of the main 200 foot wide mushroom-like dome. What looks like the seabed towards the bottom of the feature is in fact the TOP of the mushroom dome. The seabed is another 40 feet further down!
Resolution of the object
Lindberg was asked, “What kind of resolution/accuracy can be expect of the ROV? (Remotely Operated Vehicle)“, he said – “Bad resolution, we have been sponsored by Ocean Modules with an “older” model of the V8 Sii ROV. It should not be able to send both video and the “real time sonar” images at the same time through a 450 meter cable (which we had) but it worked, though on the expense of the quality of the video. On the next expedition they will provide us with a newer model and then we will probably get much better quality on the video.”
He continued – “They do not know about all we have seen with the ROV. It take some time to tape everything over to a format with which they can use, and people have their working hours. I think though that they must be like 10 persons working with this now.”
Rock samples
In a recent Facebook Q&A the loose stones that make up the “fireplaces” sitting on top of the dome were discussed with co-founder Peter Lindberg – “So have any scientists results been brought back from the samples yet Peter?” – “We have recovered two loose stones laying on the circle. They are doing lab tests on the stones right now. But I think we will find that they are made of quite common minerals. I believe that since there is loose stones laying on the circle the circle must be from pre-ice age. The ice has dropped the stones when it melted away.”
“I do not know but if I must bet my money on something I would go for the possibility that the circle is of pre-ice age – age.”
Unexplained Equipment Failure
A curious phenomena that has been experienced by the dive team is one of constant electrical equipment failure when they are in close proximity to the anomaly and could be related to a magnetic disturbance in the area.
“Why isn’t anything working, anything electric out there and the satellite phone as well stopped working when we were above the object and then we got away about 200 meters and it turned on again and when we got back over the object it didn’t work so that’s kind of strange as well.” - Stefan Hogeborn
“The divers said that a “blackish” powder had been attracted to the camera, I did not see it myself though. Another thing is that we could not use the satellite phone when we where laying above the circle, but just some tenth of meters off position the phone worked. I do not know why but it is a fact. Furthermore, the video camera’s lights blow when the diver started them up on the surface when testing them before dive # 2. They decided anyway to bring the video camera with them and try to use their ordinary lights to illuminate for the video. When they descended the video camera started to showing an “error” message on the small monitor”. – Peter Lindberg
“The diver restarted the camera several times and finally it seamed to work. So he filmed their dive but nothing was on the tape when watching it afterwards. The only problem we had with the ROV was that we constantly had to restart the sonar. Finally it did not work and we continued with just the video camera. When we left the circle we went to a wreck and spent like 35 hour of ROV flying on the wreck and the sonar worked all the time. Magnetic disturbances, well you tell me!”
“Someone asked about what temperature we had down there. Well the divers thermometer showed -1 degree Celsius when they were on top of the circle, it should be +4 degree Celsius. The thermometer may have showing a wrong value of course.”
“We looked at our dive computer, the deep sea diver computer, and it said minus one degree that’s pretty cold for a diver it should really be impossible to have that cold water it actually turns into ice at zero degrees but that could be explained by the movement of the water.” – Stefan Hogeborn, Professional Diver
“I can not reveal the truth before I have all the facts. Till then everything is pure speculations, even from my side. I have not thought about if it can be hollowed, I have not even penetrated the surface yet…”
“We still have some months before it is too late going out to the site. But as it looks like now it will be last expedition for us. I think a real scientific team should take over and make a real scientific expedition to the area. After all, we are just wreck hunters who’s trying to find out what we a have discovered.”
Can it be brought to the surface?
When asked if there was the possibility of bringing the object to the surface, Lindberg was quick to respond with an emphatic – “God no! It must weight tremendous much, like thousands of tons”
The Straight Lines / Grooves
The original sonar images show large and unbelievably straight grooves or lines in the structure. When someone on the Facebook group speculated that the grooves were a few tens of centimetres, Lindberg wasted no time in correcing them – “No the graves are more like 1-1,5 meter wide and 0,5-1,5 meters deep.” Later he said – “The lines can be made by natural causes, but they looks very “man made”.
Peter Lindberg shares his thoughts
A few days ago co-founder of the OceanX Team Peter Lindberg popped into the OceanX Facbook page for an impromptu question and answer session which was utterly fascinating.
Hello friends, I have not written anything here in a while, can maybe be explained by the fact that I have really been out there… I will drop you some of my believes:
1. I do not believe that the circle is a wreckage of an flying craft from WWII till recent time (or from some thousands of year back for that matter).
2. I do not believe the circle is a wreckage of any kind of known floating vessels from the past or from modern time.
3. I do not believe the circle is a construction made by someone after the ice age (submarine bases etc included).
4. I do believe the surface of the circle is made of mineral.
5. I do believe that the surface looks like concrete through the ROV camera but I do not believe it’s made of concrete.
6. I do believe that the very strait lines and angular formations we can see on the side scan sonar image from last year really excists. The odd thing is that I thought, before this expedition that when we could get close these shapes maybe should appear not being so straight as on the side scan sonar image, in reality they are even straighter! It really looks like constructed parts on the circle.
7. I do believe it might have been volcanic activity in the area and even on (or in) the circle after the ice age, or before, but then it do not fit with what we know about the ice age.
8. I do believe that the circle “rests” on top of what looks like an pilar of rock, raising approx 8 meters above the surrounding bottom. The circle it self appears to be approx 4 meters thick. In other words, the top of the circle raises 12 meters above the surrounding bottom.
9. I do believe we must find out on the next expedition if the circle and the pillar are fixed in one piece or if they are separated in some way.
10. I do believe that the path, or the track, is a ridge raising slowly up from the bottom to a height of approx 8 meters above the surrounding bottom. I also believe that the ridge is made of softer material than the pillar and the circle.
“What I do not believe because I know, is the fact that we found a round hole approx 25 cm in diameter going straight into the surface of the circle, how odd is not that? How deep? No idea, we just saw it for some seconds before we decided to back off to preserve the visibility for the divers that was going down later on. They did not find the hole though. It might be some more holes, at this moment we do not know.” – Well some comments on that before I continue with some more believes. Cheers
Peter Lindbergs Baltic Sea ‘UFO’ Back in Mainstream News – Photos, Videos
On January 26, 2012, CNN filed a report and video–posted below–on the mysterious disk shaped ‘UFO’ object–60 meters across, the size of a jumbo jet–discovered on sonar in the Baltic Sea, June 19, 2011. The object, 285 feet below the surface of the Bothnia Gulf between Sweden and Finland with what looks to be a 985 foot ‘track’. The salvage team that discovered the object and a smaller, similar object ‘nearby’ will have to wait until May, in calmer seas, to solve the mystery of what’s on the bottom of the Baltic Sea.
The latest report from CNN, Video: Divers find large, unexplained object at bottom of Baltic Sea. There’s no details in the report that haven’t been already reported in August, 2011, so what’s the real reason behind CNN revisiting this story?
In August, 2011, FOX News:
“The team captured this sonar image of a circular object about three hundred feet down on the sea floor.”
“This is a sonar image three hundred feet down, and not just any UFO by the way, this thing looks like the Millennium Falcon, right? Hans Solo’s Millennium Falcon of Stars Wars fame.”
FOX News: “The thing on your left–looking at sonar footage–it almost looks like it went off a runway.”
CNN News: “Sonar readings show it’s about 60 meters across, or the size of a Jumbo jet, and, it’s not on its own down there, the Ocean Explorer Team also found another smaller disk-shaped object nearby. Both show a rigid tail or drag marks more than four hundred meters long.”
August 3, 2011, Discovery News published Unidentified Sunken Object: Probably Not Alien. The theory from DN, the images could be “a natural formation, such as the rim of a small underground volcano, which certainly create a very round, prominent ring” with this caveat:
“So what is it? Until someone actually goes down to search the object more closely (or recover it) — a potentially time-consuming and expensive proposition — we may never know. It’s a genuine mystery, and, as is often the case, the most mundane explanation may be the most likely.”
The proposed date for a return to the Baltic Sea to ‘salvage’ the mystery object, May 2012.
Crashed UFO in the Baltic Sea, June 19 2011
Read more: http://www.cosmostv.org/2012/01/peter-lindbergs-baltic-sea-ufo-back-in.html#ixzz1lJ16PvfF
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